Ex-Pentagon Staffer Luis Elizondo talks UFOs Over Nuclear Sites and Chinese State-Sponsored UAP Research On “Rebelliously Curious with Chrissy Newton”

In the nearly four years since Luis “Lue” Elizondo has become a household name, at least within the UFO community, the former intelligence officer has been interviewed hundreds of times by journalists across the professional spectrum. 

Many have covered similar ground, from his time in the United States Department of Defense’s Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP) to his failed efforts to get his higher-ups at the DoD to take the UFO issue seriously. Sometimes it feels like there may be little left for the man to tell us about the phenomenon or his role in ongoing disclosure efforts.

Fortunately, in this latest installment of Rebelliously Curious, The Debrief’s Chrissy Newton takes Lue in several new and compelling directions, ranging from the all-too-real possibility of a future war with China over Taiwan to his thoughts on his own possible role in a much larger disinformation effort. 

Unsurprisingly, the fresh direction and complex discussion repeatedly came back to the core topic of UFOs and UAPs, causing Elizondo to break character more than once and compliment Newton on the inspired exchange.



“By the way, Chrissy, this is really one of the best interviews I have had in a long time,” Elizondo gushed about two-thirds of the way into the nearly 50-minute sit-down. “Really great questions. Honestly, I feel like I’m being interviewed by CNN or something like that. Super elevated questions.”

The elevated tone and energy were felt from the beginning. Newton asked Elizondo to offer his thoughts on the implications of a growing Chinese military force and their possible effects on Western security. Like his talks about UAP, Elizondo started out cautiously, but he found his stride before long, ticking off a whole range of well-informed thoughts on the subject.

At another point in the exchange, Newton pressured Elizondo about his current role, if any, within the Pentagon’s UAP Task Force, as well as what work he may be doing overseas, particularly with other countries or even the United Nations. Once again, Elizondo was cautious, noting that he would never want to talk about the activities of a third party without their consent. But given enough prodding from Newton, the former AATIP head found a way to get into the heart of the discussion without betraying anyone’s confidence.

“There’s definitely interest by foreign governments, including some adversarial governments,” Elizondo finally admitted. “A lot of these adversaries have known for a long time that the topic is real, and that the U.S. is coming to the game a little late.”

In that same exchange, Elizondo doubled down on the sentiment with a real-world example, asking the U.N. rhetorically, “Do you really want Pakistan to go to war with India because a UAP was mistaken for an enemy attack?”

Another question from Newton that got Elizondo’s attention and praise was one about the UAP/Nuke connection when she asked specifically if it was something AATIP looked at during his time there.

“AATIP was aware of the nuclear connection,” he finally conceded after yet again complimenting Newton for asking him something no one else had thought to ask. He then described how AATIP was able to validate and substantiate a lot of what Robert Hastings wrote in his book, “UFOs & Nukes: Extraordinary Encounters at Nuclear Weapons Sites,” with official documents and reports. “He was right,” Elizondo said of Hastings. “Not only was it (his book) good and accurate, it was helpful.”



Near the end of the interview, Newton asks Elizondo about his potential whistleblower status and his personal thoughts on being a whistleblower. His answer is long and well thought out and is worth listening to.

He also uses the discussion to reveal a private fear related to his role in releasing sensitive, if not exactly classified, information. “I’m always paranoid somebody is gonna wrap me up and throw me in a van.”

Throughout the entire back and forth with Newton, Elizondo offers a five-star buffet of fun moments, including talk of “great singers” and rock star type celebrities missing the whole point of the UAP discussion and advice he offers people that ask him if they should spend “thousands of dollars to go on a camping trip and see lights in the sky.” 

Of course, the most exciting parts of the entire discussion relate to his ongoing efforts to champion the UAP discussion at home and around the globe. This is brought to a head when Newton asks Elizondo if he ever fears he may be part of a more extensive disinformation campaign. 

To hear his somewhat surprising answer to this question, as well as a number of other fascinating responses across the entire UAP topic, you’ll have to watch the video itself.

Follow and connect with author Christopher Plain on Twitter: @plain_fiction